The Junkyard That Taught a Kibbutz About Itself

Details

• Interviewee: Yaniv
• Role: Community Member
• Community: Kibbutz Samar
• Date: 2026-01-14
• Language: en

Summary

In this interview, Yaniv discusses the journey of the junkyard in the kibbutz of Samar, which evolved from a place of disorder to a structured area with specific roles for waste materials, reflecting a growing community consciousness. The transformation of the junkyard symbolizes the interplay between freedom, creativity, and responsibility within the community, emphasizing the importance of managing shared spaces and resources effectively.

Yaniv highlights the challenges faced by the kibbutz in maintaining its identity and cohesion, pointing to the low environmental awareness and the need for better communication amongst members. Through his experiences, he illustrates how informal structures can emerge and solidify into cultural and social frameworks, igniting conversations about belonging, shared responsibility, and the future of communal living.

Key quotes

There is a space that was meaningless. It took on meaning over time, quite by chance. I think one of the things that is special about Samar is that there is space here, and the space is also physical.

So I started to tidy it up... at first just by turning it over, and then more was created.

We are a kibbutz without a high level of environmental awareness.

We have a very high level of sharing, to the point where we don't... also sharing money... and communication at a very low level.

This is our story. This is what happened. And Samar wasn't ready to do the shift.

Life here hasn't always been comfortable, but everyone is here out of a genuine decision.

We all came from different backgrounds, each with our own story. We live this day out of maintaining our common bonds.

Transcript

**[Yaniv]:** We are shelters. So we filmed in a junkyard. So I want to tell you, pennies – what is Samar's junkyard? It's Liu's, which is Samar's, we won't say.
**[Sharon]:** What is your junkie, anyway?
**[Yaniv]:** There is a space that was meaningless. It took on meaning over time, quite by chance. I think one of the things that is special about Samar is that there is space here, and the space is also physical.
**[Yaniv]:** Our kibbutz is a kibbutz with few people and a large area, and the result is that there is room for things. So anyone who wants to can do something in the area, there is plenty of space, and that creates a kind of peace, a kind of freedom.
**[Yaniv]:** And the junkyard simply came into being because it was – I would almost say – out of this incident that we got a large area, and it was possible to simply throw things away without considering whether it was wasting space or what to do with it.
**[Yaniv]:** You also have to remember that we are in a very, very remote area, so there isn't really that patina here that you have in other places – where you already have all kinds of, let's say, different businesses and different places. No. We are alone here.
**[Yaniv]:** Now, if we weren't constantly throwing away waste, then you wouldn't be able to find something used for a while. You'd just go and buy it somewhere.
**[Yaniv]:** Someone who doesn't have space and needs, say, a used part for a car or a tractor – so he goes and doesn't keep the old car in his yard. But because he doesn't have that space, then we could just put things nearby, and then sometimes you go and take something you need. And it's also easier than starting to rack your brains – what do I do with an old car? A lot of people are very stressed about that.
**[Yaniv]:** I now had a car in the center of the country. I had to get rid of it, let's say. In the end, I had to sell it for 2,500 shekels. But if not, I had to go and maybe even start looking for someone.
**[Yaniv]:** Here, there was simply an opportunity to put it nearby, and then maybe use it. For the children to play with it. For it to take on some other meaning.
**[Yaniv]:** And then it became like this place – they started arranging it in rows of vehicles, and tractors, and scrap metal, and just a big pile of all that stuff.
**[Yaniv]:** And before, I don't know how many years ago – ten, fifteen years – I started to get obsessed with... that it was wrong that we didn't sort our waste. And I started to arrange for there to be specific places for that.
**[Yaniv]:** What bothered me most was that they didn't recycle. I mean, there was no... They threw furniture together with scrap metal, with construction waste - everything together. And then every now and then there would be a mountain three or four meters high and twenty or thirty meters wide of crazy mess.
**[Yaniv]:** And when someone comes and throws something in, even if I want to separate it – I can't.
**[Yaniv]:** So I started to tidy it up... at first just by turning it over, and then more was created. So you say, okay, that's it. I'm tidying up places.
**[Yaniv]:** Okay, so organize and calcium. It's not just me, okay? But I think I had a relatively central role there in saying: Okay, here will be iron. Here will be aluminum. Here will be copper. Here will be paperboard. Here will be casting molds. Here will be bicycle parts. Here will be building materials.
**[Yaniv]:** And I made sure to throw the waste – what wasn't supposed to be recycled – hundreds of meters away, so that there wouldn't be any mixing. And I made sure there was a container.
**[Yaniv]:** And I drove everyone crazy. I did some outreach in the community, to the kids, to not break things. Because kids – one of the things they loved – was breaking car windows.
**[Yaniv]:** So I went and told them: "Until you invent a magnet that collects all the thousand shards you scatter there – don't break the glass anymore."
**[Yaniv]:** Even though as a child, a teenager, I would also break bottles. There was a food factory, a canning factory, on my kibbutz. So one of the things that was fun was going and throwing, breaking bottles.
**[Yaniv]:** I keep telling myself: Don't always be angry with them, you did it yourself. But it's terrible. Because when you break something – you have a story for a second. But after that? What happens with it? What happens? It's not fun. It's terrible.
**[Yaniv]:** So that's it. We started organizing, doing the separation. And that's a kind of work. But making sure there are crossings, that you can get to different places. That there are areas. That there is logic in the order of it. That's it.
**[Sharon]:** And what impact do you think this complex has on culture in Samar?
**[Yaniv]:** Look, Samar is a kibbutz without a high level of environmental awareness.
**[Yaniv]:** For example, for many years we had something – separation of organic waste in the dining room. I think it's been fifteen years. For me it's embarrassing. It's shameful.
**[Yaniv]:** When you come and throw away your food and you know it's going to the landfill – but we can't do this much.
**[Yaniv]:** We are not, I call it an intentional community. We are not a place where people... People are alive. Completely normal people.
**[Yaniv]:** I think a lot of people are... Let's say, yes, there is – you could say – a difference that people from the outside see. Some are shocked, especially at how it used to be. They look and say: Are you crazy? What are you doing?
**[Yaniv]:** Like, like normal people in civilization, when you finish something – you throw it away. You don't want to look at it. Compost is also a new thing. That you say, okay, I'll take my leftovers and I'll work with them.
**[Yaniv]:** Generally, most people in Western society – not intention, forget. Like, in the bathroom, in everything, in waste, in relationships. And here, on the kibbutz – even in relationships – you have to recycle it. Because you live here together. You can't... You can't say goodbye to anything.
**[Yaniv]:** So it's a bit like you... as it is.
**[Yaniv]:** I say, with all the... I don't know, there's a tractor here, for example, that belonged to my father. It was to bring it from my kibbutz, a tractor from the 70s or 60s.
**[Yaniv]:** And he came here for a second term, and then he "died." And left it there. But I'm passing through and I have sentiment for him.
**[Yaniv]:** And I think people have learned to live with this thing – also out of laziness, and also because you get used to something like that, and you say okay, we have this kind of thing where people often come and are really shocked.
**[Yaniv]:** And we... so yes, this is it. The junkie. It has a name, okay? It became a place. It got branding.
**[Yaniv]:** I can't say that I have mixed feelings about this place today. It's... things happened there that I didn't like. They almost ruined it completely. They wanted to build solar installations there, and I struggled a bit about it.
**[Yaniv]:** There's a more artistic area now, where there's some kind of... Like, some kind of gradient between the... What I was concerned with – trying to communicate this to the community – which is a kind of, let's say, transition from very heavy-duty employment for a living, for leisure, say cycling, for art, for culture, for partying.
**[Yaniv]:** I mean, you can see... I really showed that we, let's say, have the line of the barn, of the... After that is the industrial area, after that is Zeitim, and after that is the kibbutz. Okay?
**[Yaniv]:** So you see it from something like this – from the toughest, to the craft. Dairy farming is a really terrible industry in my opinion.
**[Yaniv]:** And then like a craft, which is a little more delicate. It's not the factory. And after that, suddenly there's the olive buffer, and then it becomes the social area. And the same thing – crystal, locksmith, torkol, company – into Zeitim, into the kibbutz. So it's like, there's some kind of harmonious transition between types of things.
**[Yaniv]:** And the junkie – it's kind of the heart of this thing. That it allows, let's say, the children to coordinate there, they come there to collect leftovers to do all kinds of things. So I really support it. Just call it by its name.
**[Yaniv]:** I pass by, picking up the trash, because trash attracts trash. Just like that.
**[Yaniv]:** And sometimes someone leaves you a pile of unsorted stuff and it's... And I just hate all the people I suspect in my heart. And I'm like... out of my business, but maybe he's not the one who's into it. Because sometimes people behave irresponsibly.
**[Yaniv]:** But in general, I can say that we went through some kind of process. And people almost never do it. Almost never do it. And they notice.
**[Sharon]:** And what, can you say a little more about the connection between this place and art?
**[Yaniv]:** Look, I think this whole area is becoming very artistic because... In my opinion at least, because the garage has become a kind of cultural center – very intense, with parties, performances, art. So hang in there...
**[Yaniv]:** For example, we have some kind of rule like this – unwritten – that we are not downloading anything. I'm not downloading anything.
**[Yaniv]:** Someone hung something up – he comes back in five years and sees. And to me, even if it's not exactly where he put it, it will be inside the space. I'm not deleting anything. Even sentences that really annoy me.
**[Yaniv]:** And as if, you have to learn to live with what you have. But I do understand...
**[Sharon]:** Why?
**[Yaniv]:** First of all, because I say: If someone... this is not my private space. And if someone created something – by what right do I have to download it? If someone posted something, wrote something – I won't delete it.
**[Yaniv]:** You know, there's something I'm saying - maybe it's time to throw it out, because it's an annoying sentence, which I think was written from a bad place. But... I say, okay, get used to living with it.
**[Yaniv]:** Just as we always have a tendency to cleanse society and space of what is uncomfortable for us. Or to say – let's kick the Palestinians out. Let's kick the Jews out. And I'm like this - here you have to make do with what you have.
**[Yaniv]:** If it got here – it's for a reason. And then I realize that we're becoming more and more works of art, because there are always concerts and parties.
**[Yaniv]:** The awareness was... During this intense period, I would prepare for backstage – As if to the background of the stage – I would make, say, posters that were three by two feet, like two and a half by twenty meters, two-forty by twenty meters. And then it starts to be like this, and then it's dropped at the event – it's cool. And then it seems to perpetuate itself, and then it pulls, and then it arrives...
**[Yaniv]:** After we do a pirate residency, without money, and only with love – so people come and say, OK, so we'll do a residency. And I'm like, I don't really like it. Because all that was beautiful was that it was organic.
**[Yaniv]:** Then you come and I say, it's good that there's a residency. No, really.
**[Yaniv]:** I say... you know, like 'like attracts like,' So attention and love and inspiration attract attention, and it gets the transformation.
**[Yaniv]:** So I'm like against institutionalization. I hate it. Because I know – it's not entirely me anymore. Because it's no longer friends coming and making a truly organic, pirated culture, which is all anarchist theft.
**[Yaniv]:** Magic begins to enter, aspirations begin to arise, and I'm like: Okay, fine, I know that. It's pretty common, pretty go-to – because it's not from life.
**[Yaniv]:** But there is something about the initiative that is right. So I'm kind of... I have such an ambivalent attitude.
**[Yaniv]:** Someone comes and says: "Okay, let's clear all the iron from the junkyard, we'll sell it, we'll get ten thousand shekels" - don't quote that. And I'm just saying this... that's it. So no need to say. What? No need to say.
**[Yaniv]:** I say – so actually, if you look, there is an address, and of course graffiti.
**[Yaniv]:** Like, we have some artists here who are artists in denial, or in disguise, or in fear. So they're not... like, it's not like you and Oren Lind Fisher – That you are announced, and you present, and you are from it. But let's say, Tal Yassin – in my opinion, an important artist.
**[Yaniv]:** His graffiti is graffiti that is like good art – She is extreme, she tests boundaries, she is fearless. And to me, it's much more interesting than people who are able, without offending anyone, to paint the landscape of the Negev – as if it were a picture.
**[Sharon]:** So how is this place actually a catalyst for art? Or you – you or you – whose name is, as if... This is something I also heard Yuval and Nirit say, and also something you are referring to?
**[Yaniv]:** Yuval, for example – this is an amazing example of an amazing artist who simply doesn't want to do the... I don't know exactly why that is. But I, for example, am very... At one point I really confused him.
**[Yaniv]:** I told him: "Come on, come on, come out of the closet. Show your support."
**[Yaniv]:** Yes, they might not buy it. They might handcuff you. But he has an amazing touch in his eyes. There's work here – look. This Labyrinth. Look what a genius the man is. Like, we're all hanging around all day, making leftovers of... Like, cutting off an edge of it – And he takes it and arranges it in such a simple way, and you suddenly see a character, you see a contribution, you see a thought, an animal.
**[Yaniv]:** So he does his thing, and I do my thing, and Venus does her thing, and guest people. And suddenly someone arrives in the suburbs, a pot of soup, something. And slowly, slowly... Like, what kind of space is that – As if he was always there, but he wasn't always there.
**[Yaniv]:** And it's also impossible to say that this is a place that encourages art and appreciates art. In the entire Eilot region – there is no, until recently – there wasn't a single artist making a living from his art. Not one. Not a director, not an actor, not a singer, not a poet, not a sculptor, not a musician, not a writer, not a dancer.
**[Sharon]:** So what role should you take in the community at the beginning? It's something that's part of life, that people are both... He is also a plumber and he is also a poet, who don't appreciate his greatness. Whatabar.
**[Sharon]:** And what central role do you think this space plays within Samar?
**[Yaniv]:** He's not. Around the old man, around the machines... So listen, this is a different department. This is not a department... You know, it might be The Art of Life.
**[Yaniv]:** No, not art.
**[Yaniv]:** I say – the... No, the space is there, listen – It's been a really, really long time that it's finally, it's like... you invented tools, right?
**[Yaniv]:** So I say, this space was a space of creation – also in the field of livelihood and employment. In that sense, let's say I... Let's say, there was a moment when we were growing melons, and I had to go and pick the melons – Like, pick them up, like you're cutting them.
**[Yaniv]:** So you pick them up and put them as a tool, and you have to walk 200 meters to the edge of the field. And pour it into the container. Because you can't... You can't just throw it in, and they didn't really know what to do with it.
**[Yaniv]:** So let's say, we said – maybe we'll make a melon yeast combine. When we just pick, carry, pick carry – a million fast – than pick, now go with your five melons to the edge and carry it, it's full of time, and why? So we built a kind of combine harvester where you go and cut the melons, and you line them up, and a combine comes, and the combine knows how to come and grab the melons, pick them up, put them in a container. He goes and collects it.
**[Yaniv]:** So we got – me and a friend – we got a kind of back. To make a prototype of this thing. And there was also an engineer who came and helped us a little. So there have been such attempts all these years.
**[Yaniv]:** And the truly great thing that happened – that we will become a part of the new year, of the date harvest. And there it started with very, very raw and simple things. Because at first they would let the dates dry, then you take down the whole cluster and hit it – and it would fall.
**[Yaniv]:** And from the surrounding communities, they bought such machines with them in the 1990s. Then it was understood that people wanted beautiful, salty, and delicious dates – not that they look like stones. And a whole technology has developed on how to deal with it, and how to do it with several waves of transformations.
**[Yaniv]:** In the Yotba area – you see, workers, because dates from there are a dessert, not a main course, so they don't care that they invest a lot of money in these tools, and they have a lot of depreciation. Because this method is a method that has advantages, and it also has disadvantages. And the disadvantage is depreciation.
**[Yaniv]:** But what happened is that the community here – this is something that needs to be said – the community here gave the people who did this... I was a worker there. I wasn't an important person. You know, I made my contribution.
**[Yaniv]:** But no... let's say, for the introduction of aluminum technology and all sorts of... Yes, that's something I brought. But overall, I was a small cog in this system.
**[Yaniv]:** And there were several people there – mainly two – who just invested their lives for a very long time, to perfect it into the technology we depend on today.
**[Yaniv]:** At such a level – that we don't know how the coming year will end. Because right now there is no one to maintain this – this monster we built. It's a kind of dependency. We have created a kind of complete system that we depend on, and the alternative to host her – we need something like two years to host her, and we haven't even started yet.
**[Sharon]:** Let's talk a little about society falling apart. How did we get to this point?
**[Yaniv]:** How did we get to this... I think it's from a place of what can be learned from this. I don't just... So first of all, let's say it was an accident. We were lucky.
**[Yaniv]:** We say, like – let's take a look. Napoleon said, or is quoted as saying: "Don't bring me talented and loyal generals - bring me lucky generals." So Samar, to a large extent, rode the wave of the miracle of the soft Majhol – That this is a product that was actually developed... Once upon a time there was just an ordinary Majhol, but learn to make jello juicier, and the result was that there was a demand for these technologies, and the price was sky high.
**[Yaniv]:** And slowly, when the market collapsed – we collapsed with it. And we didn't recognize it in time. Even though it was.
**[Yaniv]:** Articles appeared, say, in "The Marker"... There was no discussion about that here. I feel like I sent this to everyone. I told them: Listen, this is what happened with the pepper – They called it "the popularization of the Majhol." It's going to happen to Majhol too. And we must be ready for it. And we didn't want to listen to it. And we were drugged – Not really drugged, but from holes in the real money that came in large quantities – and may all the problems that were here disappear, like hidden unemployment or hidden employment.
**[Yaniv]:** And at some point it was already there until today, that people... Did a lot of people work part-time jobs? And they didn't ask themselves if I was earning enough. Because our focus was on other things. For example, my focus was on environmental struggles.
**[Yaniv]:** A friend once told me: "Yes, I chose to be an artist, because I knew I had money in my family, and I wouldn't have to work very hard." These are human choices. People say: I choose a certain life according to my images.
**[Sharon]:** Are you sorry about that?
**[Yaniv]:** No. It really isn't. I think it's... This is our story. This is what happened. And Samar wasn't ready to do the shift. In the form of learning, internalization, integration, and listening.
**[Yaniv]:** Therefore, we have a very high level of collaboration – So much so that it doesn't... Also sharing money, come on. We haven't learned that there won't be budgets, and very low level communication. Both stemmed from the same principle which says: "We are together, but everyone is stressed."
**[Yaniv]:** So we are together – that means we share the money. And everyone is stressed – that means I can tell you: fuck you, okay? And no one can tell me anything. Can you tell me "go to work"? I'll tell him: "You son of a bitch, you don't work." It is clear that it is.
**[Yaniv]:** So the statement was: "We have communication." But I blame Raviv... But I say that's not true. We have a high level of collaboration, and a very low level of communication.
**[Yaniv]:** And if the media does not rise to the level of sharing – so sharing was reduced to the level of communication.
**[Yaniv]:** Then, along with an economic crisis, it wiped out the business. The inability and desire to man up or to woman up, and understand that we must make a change and talk about it and promote it in this sense of... I don't know... a duty to support? Like... I don't know what... Find a factory that will support this circus.
**[Yaniv]:** Because we loved the circus. The circus was fun, but it was also very frustrating.
**[Sharon]:** You just want to talk about yourself.
**[Yaniv]:** Yes. Something like that.
**[Yaniv]:** So hold on. I said.
**[Sharon]:** Okay. I see you doing a lot of things that aren't "work," among all the mediation things you do, between giving a look to the kibbutz in all sorts of forms over the years – that it's not exactly this description, and it's not the garage, and it's not that. So that's why I ask - what do you think your role is, between you and yourself, today in this process that is happening on the kibbutz?
**[Yaniv]:** To give an example that it doesn't really matter what the arrangements are – but we will continue to be, and behave as matter-of-factly and positively as possible. I'm no longer as invested as I was before – Because it's not that relevant to me anymore. Because I came for the "togetherness" in the kibbutz, not for the economy. It was never something that seemed to really interest me.
**[Yaniv]:** And also now, you know, I have to support myself. But I will say yes – I had, both towards her and towards others, some desire to create some kind of identity, some kind of consciousness or discourse, or images of togetherness – and giving it strength.
**[Yaniv]:** The documenter – but he is also a creator. It's not just the one who looks – I also create the images, so that we have the strength to continue being together. To remember that we're actually doing something that's cool, that's special, that we are serious, that we deserve respect, and that we have fun. And as if – to remind you all the time.
**[Yaniv]:** Because there are always people – they are in distress. Life is hard for everyone. Everyone who comes here didn't come because of a mistake at the traffic light. We are all refugees of something. We were running away from something in our eyes.
**[Yaniv]:** We've all made that move to get away from something. Because it's far. It's inconvenient. It's a concession. But you also get something in return.
**[Yaniv]:** And I tried not to set up a mirror – It's like saying: "You're wrong." But to say: "Look how cool, look how beautiful."
**[Yaniv]:** So a lot of my energy in these years, in all the years – was trying to produce... I was never very opposed to the community. I led several battles, but they never made me stop being a kind of Samaritan patriot.
**[Yaniv]:** And now the last part is turned a little outward, let's say. The target audience of those who are going to see these materials is already – these are people who want to establish, start, and looking for some information.
**[Sharon]:** So what do you think someone who comes here now would do – living together with people on a piece of land – what else needs to be learned? What element should it have? What advice would you give? And what does it mean to be in this process?
**[Yaniv]:** Listen, I'm not... Samar never said either... Someone once did this here – when there were a lot of arguments and he felt he was wrong,
**[Yaniv]:** It's like he's fighting with too many people – so he and his partner prepared something like a stamp in the kibbutz center that said "example." Like, they painted, made some kind of art installation in the middle of the kibbutz – You can only really see it from an airplane.
**[Yaniv]:** Like saying: "Even though I'm angry with you – I still think we're doing something exemplary." And that is also part of the debate.
**[Yaniv]:** Because these people who did this, for example – they were on the side that thought we were... It was always some kind of question: Is Samar a one-time event? Or is this an idea that can be replicated? But I think most of the time no one here thought that we are doing something that is copy-able or is it sky-able.
**[Yaniv]:** On a personal level... So I say – on a personal level, what I learned is that I don't understand the future. At all. Like, a second child...
**[Yaniv]:** Now let's leave it to me 10 years ago, 15 years ago, we'll leave the computer on here all night - I say to him: "Why is the computer on?" So he tells me: "I'm a Bitcoin miner." What is this nonsense? Too bad – I sleep too, it bothers me to sleep, it's a waste of electricity, it's a waste of the money we pay, it's a shame about the energy being wasted.
**[Yaniv]:** So that's it. So I've been saying ever since – I understand that I don't understand. I will say – you know, if you want to live with people – You have to consider them, right? So learn RBDSM – that's what they're talking about today.
**[Yaniv]:** You need to understand – if you live with people for a long time, so first of all – a community that is physical – it has crazy benefits. Like, it's a fact that you have space. You understand? I host people – What a crazy thing this is. You have a house, you have land – this is a very big advantage.
**[Yaniv]:** But it's not something you can... As you know, it has a crazy price – that you have to fight against the authorities, and you have to pay the bills.
**[Yaniv]:** And we don't always understand that – People who come and say: "Oh, how much fun you have! Wow wow wow!" Yes, brother – do you know what conditions we lived in here? Listen, it was for seven. Fucking seven. It was... there wasn't a single tree. You are here today – it is a dream, a beautiful place – but this is where we all changed it in our skin. Like, we paid for it.
**[Yaniv]:** So it has, you know... there was a heavy price. So... I don't know what to tell you. Like, you'll live with people – So you should keep in mind that this is a long-term game. recurring. You can't go all out on somebody.
**[Yaniv]:** You should always think – that in 10, 15, 20, 30, 40, maybe 50 years – You will still live... I live here with people – I have known some of them for more than 30 years. Wow, that's very difficult. This is not... You know, this kibbutz was established as if it were for fun.
**[Yaniv]:** One of the things that... It's not exactly like that. Although it is not true that the word is "fun" – But as if it would be pleasant. But... do they go along together – community and fun? Like, you're with the same people all the time.
**[Yaniv]:** You wake up in the morning, you see your neighbor – you say: "You again." Now, this isn't a neighbor you're fighting with over the location of the trash can. This is a person whose pain you know. Someone got hemorrhoids on the other side of the kibbutz – and it hurts his ass. Like, you're mixed with people at the most serious levels possible.
**[Yaniv]:** You know their life story, and he knows you know – and you know he knows you know. And this... it goes all around. And you are alive... I have a few exes here – that's a thing. Wow, these are questions, these are things. This thing is not simple.
**[Yaniv]:** I don't know... If you do this – it's a serious thing. It's kind of... You know, a spouse – You can divorce him and start over. But here – there is none. It's like... I don't want to... Like, you know – like in space – no matter what comes out of you – it starts to orbit. ואתה, you orbit around other people. It's endless, this shit.
**[Yaniv]:** And you know, someone could come and tell you: "What you said about clinging..." And I say: What? "Yeah, things..." Take you back 25 years. You're making a point about something that has nothing to do with it. And you say: Yes... fuck you, I never looked at you. Yes, it is very difficult. Of course. This was our choice. I don't... you know, I don't recommend it to anyone who doesn't... I say sharing is like BDSM – This is only between adults and only with consent.